I have written far too much about this whole subject. However, on the day of the vote I made these images – draw whatever conclusions you can from them.
I have written far too much about this whole subject. However, on the day of the vote I made these images – draw whatever conclusions you can from them.
What I am about to write must be put in context – I have been up all night and have had only a small amount of sleep over the last 24 hours so when I look back on this post it might not be as well thought through (ha ha) as some other posts. Here goes.
Scotland has decided to stay part of the Union, for now. I blogged yesterday that I think all that has happened is that a strong platform to put independence back on the ballot paper at the General Election in May 2015 and the the Scottish election in 2016 has been created. The Westminster parties have to deliver or else a politician who is as canny as you are going to get, Alex Salmond and to a much lesser extent Nigel Farage, will eat them for breakfast. It really doesn’t matter what the Westminster politicians might say – the independence question has not been settled at all. The Vow will come back haunt them all.
Which brings us to the great leader, David Cameron, himself. This morning he has set out a timetable to fight UKIP for Tory votes, sorry major constitutional reform. He has tried to make everyone believe that the West Lothian question can be solved by William Hague in three months. It is nonsense and everyone knows that it is nonsense and the whole thing started to unravel almost straight away when William Hague was interviewed by Andrew Neil. Again and again you just have to wonder why the great and good in Westminster can’t get their head out of what hole they might have stuck it in. A quick chat won’t answer any of the profound questions facing the way that the UK is governed. The Labour side is just as divided as they seem to fear that setting up an English parliament will mean that Labour will never gain power again. How has it come to pass that one of the great parties of the UK thinks that it can’t win power in the largest country in the Union?
For me the only true way forward is this. Establish an English parliament outside of London, preferably somewhere in the North or west of England, Bristol, Nottingham or Leeds would make fine locations. The cry from the Westminster elite is that this will be another layer of expense but this, of course, is nonsense as you also move all the English only government departments out of London to these cities and sell off all the prime location sites in London to help pay for all this. This would also be a real investment in the regions and might even answer some of the questions about HS2, Heathrow and housing in London. I believe it is called rebalancing.
The parliament in London would deal only with only UK wide issues such as defence, financial stability and Foreign affairs. Each of the constituent nations of the union would send representatives to the UK parliament to hold the UK government to account on behalf of the people of the Nations of the Union. Of course we would have to decide what role, if any, the House of Lords might play in all this. Everything else would decided at the country level as well as paying for such matters they decide on. This whole settlement of course doesn’t answer the complex question of Northern Ireland but this makes the West Lothian question look like a stroll in the park. In short the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would then become the Federal Kingdom’s of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
It is that simple. Which is utter nonsense it is not simple at all and there are massive pitfalls along the way, you only have to look at the problems the United States of America gets itself into when trying to decide where states rights end and federal government rights begin. What is also nonsense is to think that that all these questions can be decided on in three months by a cosy chat in a Downing Street cabinet sub committee room and have an answer by Christmas. This will take years to come to a solution and will be just as complicated as negotiating the independence of Scotland.
Scotland has shown the rest of the UK one clear thing. If you have an open process where all the questions are aired it will be heated and times divisive but it will energise people to seeing that politics matters to their lives and will be make sure that any election really counts. The current proposal really is the current regime just trying to play their old games of hoping all this will just go away. It won’t and I am sure that Alex Salmond will make sure it doesn’t next May.
Last night Sir Simon Jenkins was interviewed and he said that he didn’t think anything will change. He rightly pointed out that he didn’t think that was should happen but he felt that Westminster would try and make the whole thing go away. This morning we saw the first steps of that process and if that does happen then Cameron and the Tories will be severely damaged by UKIP whilst Labour will be have the same fate handed to them by the SNP. Somehow I don’t think that Cameron gets this, I do hope I am wrong.
One final thought. I suspect that the only major change to come out before the next election will be that 16 years olds will have the right to vote. Of course this being Westminster it will be implemented too late for it to apply to the next General Election – yet again handing another issue to Alex Salmond. However, this will be hailed as a major change to the constitution. Or is this just sleep deprivation taking? I’ll let you decide.
Simon Marchini
http://www.simonmarchini.co.uk
Scotland’s Independence Vote Shows a Global Crisis of the Elites
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/upshot/scotland-independence-vote.html
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Simon Marchini
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With still four hours to go before the polls close it is still far too early to even think about the result of the Scottish referendum – so here goes. Whilst I feel that a Yes vote is in the long term interest of both countries, again sorry to Wales and Northern Ireland but I think you understand, I suspect it might be the result. Which means that the Vow made starts to become really important.
I have already written that I don’t think that there is a hope in hell that Gordon Brown’s grand plan will see the light of day beyond the huffs and puffs he will emit. I believe this is the same for the Vow. The reason for my pessimism is that I don’t think that there are enough votes in the House of Commons on the Tory side. With a General Election just 6 months away the Conservatives are starting to seriously panic as the polls don’t seem to be coming back towards them. They also have the problem of the UKIP fringe to consider who are only too willing to see the current Prime Minister loose the vote. In short there will be huge pressure heaped on Cameroon to fudge his Vow in some way otherwise he will be out on his ear. Of course the Government could use the votes from the Labour side to force any vote through but that is so unlikely as it would be a suicide note by David Cameron. Should the legislation pass through the House of Commons there is no way of knowing whether the House of Lords will play ball. In short the Vow probably isn’t worth the paper that it is written on given the short time scale envisaged by Gordon Brown. This is not a bad thing as if the Vow could form part of a much wider debate about the way that Britain is governed in the 21st century. The only problem here is that again the Tories have been shown to untrustworthy on this as well – remember the promise made by the Prime Minister on Alternative Vote referendum only when push came to shove he couldn’t deliver.
So what will the upshot of all this be? Most likely it will be a gift to the SNP in the forth coming British general elections in May 2015 as they will be able show just how duplicious the Westminster elite are and I suspect they will use this to win more seats, at the expense of Labour. This will seriously damage Labour’s electoral chances so we are even more likely to see a really hung parliament after the General Election in May with both Labour and the Conservatives squeezed by Scotland the Vow; Labour in Scotland by the SNP and both Labour and Conservative in England by UKIP.
So if this scenario is correct, a reasonable size if at this time, we might find that it is really impossible to form and Government at the UK level because the Nationalists in Scotland and UKIP (Whether actual MP’s or their UKIP in all but name Tory MP’s) in England will be unable to agree with the three main parties in any meaningful way. This might then start the whole process of the realignment of the political groups in Britain that is long long over due.
So where will this leave Scotland? I guess a very distrustful nation even more suspicious of any promise that might come from Westminster. If this is the case I suspect we might see the SNP romp home in the 2016 Scottish elections with a fresh demand for a new referendum and this time no amount of panicked vows or promises or grand plans will save the union. If this is the case then David Cameron will still go down in history as the man who lost the Union, even if he is long out of power and sitting on several boards of Footsie 100 companies – possibly comparing notes with Tony Blair as the best ways to earn money out of failed political careers. And as for Gordon Brown? I guess he will be seen gloomily roaming the Fife hills muttering about how he almost saved the Union as well as the world.
Of course this could all be nonsense and a far an equitable division of power will be presented in the next few months that pleases everyone and I will look like a fool – not the first time. Lets see.
Try as I might I just can’t get the creative juices going when it comes to making drawings etc of trees – it just doesn’t work for me.
Less than 24 hours to go now before the vote starts in Scotland and in less than 48 hours we will know the answer to the question – is David Cameron in political trouble or in really serious political trouble? By this time (09:07hrs) on Friday we will have a good idea the answer, As things stand I guess he may well have squeaked a narrow victory although I have this sneaking suspicion that the vote won’t be as close as is thought and that for all the Yes side noise and bluster they might not get anything like the vote the polls are suggesting. If it turns out a 60/40 vote split in favour of the union what then for the SNP and team Scotland? I have no idea what the answer to those question might be but I guess by Friday we might have some early indications.
I have made it clear that I think a Yes vote is the only long term solution to the vexed question of the relationship between England and Scotland. I don’t think that this will be an easy option but will mean that the two countries can start to have a mature conversation – I suspect this is also being very optimistic. If there is a 60/40 result for the union then I suspect there will be great pressure placed on Cameron to kick the whole question Scotland into the long grass from his side who, after all, seem to think that leaving the EU will be a walk in the park with no adverse consequences. I am struck that so many of the arguments and questions that have been raised in the Scottish debate are exactly the same as the EU debate. Yet UKIP and the Tory right seem to think that none of this matters as it will free us to find our way into the world afresh, unbound by the shackles of the EU, without answering all the associated questions of how do you maintain good relations with a bloc you have just repudiated and yet still do the majority of your business with. A bloc which will feel pretty pissed off at you and probably will be looking at some way of attacking ‘anglo saxon economics’ in some way – how about stifling the City of London. Just a thought.
So good luck to Scotland when they start to vote tomorrow. I think most voters will enter the voting booth knowing the weight of history is on their shoulders and they will take a while to make their mark. Once that has been done it will be for future to decide what happens next. I wish all Scots well in their endeavours on Thursday.
Simon Marchini
http://www.simonmarchini.co.uk
It may come as a surprise to anyone who may have read my long posts on the Scottish Independence vote but I am totally sick of the whole thing. I suspect I am not alone and this view is widely held in Scotland. However something good has come out of the thing for me – it has inspired me to produce some art.
For most of the day I have been running on empty as far as producing anything creative for today’s post – in fact I was looking at recirculating some old photo image things were getting that bad. Then I started to think about the last men standing in the whole Scottish debate and I was off to the races. So thank you Gordon Brown and Alex Salmond – now there is something I never thought I would write.
I really don’t know why I watch any news programme at the moment. Last night having sat through Newsnight on the BBC I ended up being utterly dispirited – not by what was said, more of that in a moment, but by the almost cult like approach of the spokes people for the Yes side. Is it me, I guess it probably is, but they all seem to have assumed a strange smile, a smile that says I am right and there is nothing you can say to dissuade me. I found that very worrying.
So what was said last night to make me feel so dispirted? Well it seems that the world is wrong. Time after time points were put to this Yes spokesperson or that spokesperson and they happily said that the opposing view was just wrong. Spanish minister who outlined Spain’s view on the process that Scotland would have to follow – wrong. The chancellor of the exchequer’s view on the use of the pound sterling in Scotland – wrong. The uncertainty of the continuing funding of research at Scottish universities after independence – wrong. The outrageous behaviour of some of the Yes campaigners – doesn’t exist. This last one I found really strange as the programme had a live audience which seemed to me full of Yes campaigners who were only too willing to shout down any No campaigners. According to the Alex Salmond, if he wins on Friday, all of this bad blood will disappear and everyone one will join hands in the great love in that will be Team Scotland.
Despite what I have written over the past few months and years I really don’t know what will happen whatever the result of the vote other than this – Scotland won’t get want it wants. It will get somethings but it will have to put up with others in order to get them. This doesn’t matter whether it is a Yes or No vote. The Yes side haven’t got a monopoly on wisdom anymore than the No side. Equally, Scotland is no wiser than England, contrary to what you might have heard and if I hear one more time that Scotland is leading the world into a new social democracy I think I will scream. In truth I doubt most of the world care about Scotland, many might have difficult identifying where it is on the map so the thought of this great movement coming from Scotland is not believable. Scotland is a wonderful place but it is as smelly in parts as any other part of the United Kingdom. What it is not is some shinny beacon up on a hill.
So just incase any Yes campaigner might ever read this here are some of the things that are far from clear come Friday morning and they have won: (the list is in no particular order)
Europe: Is Scotland already part of the European Union (EU) or not? If not how will they continue to trade with other EU members whilst applying for membership? If they are do the UK opt outs apply? What do the other members of the EU think?
Pensions: Just who will pay what for the Scottish state pensions? How will this be calculated? How will it be administered? Will private pensions have to be structured separately to comply with EU regulations if so who has to pay for this?
World: Who will negotiate with world for Scotland? If it is part of the current UK Foreign and Commonwealth office then which part? Who will be the Scottish ambassadors to all the other countries in the world? Where will the embassies be situated? Where will the Scottish foreign ministry be based in Edinburgh? Will Scottish citizens still have access to UK consular support in an emergency? How will UK law that governs the UK’s relationship with the outside world apply to Scotland?
Money: Just what currency will Scotland use? If it is the pound sterling then what mechanisms will be adopted to allow the currency union between two separate nations continue? How will this effect the negotiations between the EU and Scotland? Will Scotland have to take the Euro as part of the quid pro quo for EU membership? If it is not the pound then what?
Immigration: Just what will the effect of having a Scottish immigration policy and a UK immigration policy have? Will there be some form of mechanism to harmonise this if so what? If not will there be border patrols, a fence, deportations?
Defence: How do you separate an integrated armed services beyond allocation of hardware? Who sails the ships? Who flys the planes? Who trains the new pilots? Who owns the Ministry of Defence land in Scotland? Will the UK still build warships in Scotland? What will Scotland pay for the land that currently is the nuclear facilities at Faslane? How will the integrated UK armed forces command and control system be seperated? Will Scotland be part of NATO? What will happen to the aircraft carriers currently being built in Scotland for the UK?
Trade: How will trade work between Scotland and the UK? What distribution networks will have to be reorganised in light of any currency problems or new international borders? How will the electricity from Scotland/UK flows be paid for? Who will pay for the maintenance of the UK national grid? How will Scotland trade with the EU whilst it’s status is being decided? Will import duties be imposed on Scottish goods exported to the EU during this period? How will the rail service work once it is an international service? How will standards be agreed on between the two countries? How will postal service work once it is an international service?
UK Government Functions in Scotland: How many jobs are likely to be affected when Scotland leaves the UK? Will these jobs become part of the Scottish state or will they be repatriated to the UK? How much of the UK research funding will continue when Scotland is no longer part of the UK? Will any new UK funding be allowed for Scottish universities after independence? If so what will the mechanisms by which this will be allocated? How will the Scottish state ensure that research funding is maintained?
Health: How will Scotland pay for an ageing population’s health needs? How will UK wide services, such as organ transplant, be maintained when Scotland is no longer part of the UK?
Oil: Just how do you divide the oil revenues between Scotland and the UK? How do you pay for the Norwegian Gas and Oil imports via pipeline connections with Scotland that are for the UK rather than Scotland? Who will pay for the UK government’s commitment to decommissioning of old oil and gas facilities? Just how do you set up a sovereign oil fund? What will the sovereign oil fund be used for? How will it be managed? What will happen to the current Shetland oil fund? Will it become part of the new Scottish fund?
Nuclear: Who will pay for the decommissioning of Nuclear facilities in Scotland?
National Debt: Just how much of the UK national dept will Scotland inherit? How will this be divided? What would happen should Scotland refuse to accept the allocation of its portion of debt? How will Scotland manage it’s own debt?
Banks: Who will own the ‘Scottish Banks’ that are currently mostly owned by the UK Government? What happens to the banks bad debts should they remain Scottish? Will they still be allowed to print ‘Scottish’ pounds if they are a foreign i.e. UK bank? If the Scottish banks do move south then how much of the current functions undertaken in Scotland will they take with them?
Culture: Just how do you divide a national art collection? How do you divide the art collection owned by the UK government? Are all the art works currently situated in Scotland Scotland’s? How do you divide up the British library collection? If you don’t then what compensation does the UK pay to Scotland?
This really isn’t an exhaustive list and whilst some of these things probably won’t be an issue some will be big issues and it doesn’t matter that the Yes side may say. It can be argued by the Yes side that much of this has been addressed in the Scottish white paper on independence but that argument won’t work for two reasons: Firstly, a white paper is just a list of proposals and not even law; Secondly, and I suspect this is the real point, why would any country outside of Scotland actually give Scotland anything they want? Even the UK, which is the most exposed to Scotland, doesn’t have to play ball at all with Scotland – it is after all 9 times the size of the Scottish economy and that is before the UK government functions undertaken in Scotland are relocated to the UK such as HM Revenue and Customs at Cumbernauld, the Student’s loan company at Glasgow, building warships, storing and maintaining the Nuclear deterrent. In short Scotland needs good will on many sides for the country to start off on a good footing. Portraying anyone who might suggest such problems as scaremongering or anti Scottish doesn’t help.
Whilst the list I have produced seems to be a compelling argument for the Better Together side I really don’t think it is. I believe that the union has been ruptured and we had all better start again and try and make peace with each other as separate nations. I just don’t feel that the bitter feelings that have been exposed, sorry that is just a figment of my English imagination how silly of me, won’t be calmed by any amount of devolving of more powers to Scotland. The current proposals are unclear and seem to be unravelling daily – the latest appears to be that Gordon Brown is saying that Scottish MP’s at Westminster can still vote on English matters after the new devolved powers are given to Scotland. I’m sure he will try and pretend this is because of the disparity of the size of the two countries and what happens in England really does effect Scotland far more than the other way round. All of this is true but I suspect the real reason is that if this is accepted then the next Labour Government would not be able to use it’s many Scottish MP’s as Government minsters nor get much of its business through without the Scottish MP’s votes because much of it will only apply to England. Nice one Gordon another well thought through policy announcement – how we have missed you. If this was accepted, which I doubt it will be because it will bring about the collapse of the Conservative lead Government, then it will really open up a hornets nest and feed into resentment and bitterness on both sides.
So for the sake of both countries I hope that Scotland votes Yes on Thursday. However, I suspect they won’t and then we will be in for some very interesting times indeed.
Simon Marchini
www.simonmarchini.co.uk
I know this all sounds a bit Forest Gump but this is another image from London. Just incase anyone isn’t aware this is the city of London and it is home to some of the blood thirstiest capitalist you will find anywhere in the world. So that is nice.